<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Richard,</div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Thanks! That does help.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Kirk</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica,
Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, November 4, 2013 6:45 PM, tom clayton <weraisecane@yahoo.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv4726819756"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span>Kirk, We use about 18 gallons of propane per 100 gallons of juice. Tracy and Richard get a lot better return than I do. My yield is usually 12 gallons of syrup per 100 gallons juice. Tommy</span></div><div class="yiv4726819756yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br clear="none"> <br clear="none"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida
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<div class="yiv4726819756MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Thanks Richard….good catch!</span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Syrupmakers] Propane on Sale for Syrup Cooking</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4726819756MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">And just as a comparison, it takes me about 15-20 gallons of propane to cook 100 gallons of juice down to ~15-20 gallons of syrup.
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<div class="yiv4726819756MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10pt;"> Syrup takes about 1 gallon of propane to cook 1 gallon of syrup: this is a rule of thumb. It depends on the efficiency of your burners
and setup and the brix of your juice, etc. Typically, a syrupmaking friend of mine that cooks 2 and 3 80 gallon kettles a day will use about 20 gallons of propane on a batch. He will get about 12-15 gallons of syrup. So, the cost of his propane is about $40
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<div class="yiv4726819756MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span>Another person allegedly did a calculation and said it would use X BTUs to cook 80 gallons of juice into syrup and therefore, the Y number of cookings
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<div class="yiv4726819756MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10pt;">On Sunday, November 3, 2013 4:16 PM, Richard Harrison <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rharrison922@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rharrison922@yahoo.com">rharrison922@yahoo.com</a>>
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